04:49:16:29 --:--:--:-- 04:49:17:14 --:--:--:-- >> female announcer: THIS 04:49:18:07 --:--:--:-- BROADCAST IS PRODUCED IN 04:49:18:29 --:--:--:-- PARTNERSHIP WITH THE 04:49:19:18 --:--:--:-- MULTIJURISDICTIONAL COUNTERDRUG 04:49:20:26 --:--:--:-- TASK FORCE TRAINING PROGRAM, 04:49:22:16 --:--:--:-- THE FLORIDA NATIONAL GUARD, 04:49:23:18 04:49:25:18 AND ST. PETERSBURG COLLEGE. 04:49:28:05 --:--:--:-- [fast-paced distorted music] 04:49:29:05 04:49:37:05   04:49:45:06 04:49:47:06 [gunshots] 04:50:03:19 --:--:--:-- >> WELCOME TO 04:50:04:04 --:--:--:-- OUR BROADCAST TODAY: 04:50:05:11 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION INTRODUCTION. 04:50:06:29 --:--:--:-- I'M YOUR HOST, STAN RHOADS. 04:50:08:18 --:--:--:-- AS YOU ARE ABOUT TO LEARN, 04:50:10:09 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION IS A HIGHLY 04:50:11:20 --:--:--:-- SPECIALIZED AREA OF LAW 04:50:13:14 --:--:--:-- ENFORCEMENT, AND IN NO WAY DO WE 04:50:15:03 --:--:--:-- EXPECT YOU TO BE UP TO SPEED 04:50:16:24 --:--:--:-- AND READY TO HIT THE STREETS TO 04:50:18:10 --:--:--:-- DO INTERDICTION AFTER THIS 04:50:19:13 --:--:--:-- ONE-HOUR BROADCAST. 04:50:21:01 --:--:--:-- RATHER, TODAY OUR EXPERTS ARE 04:50:22:21 --:--:--:-- GOING TO PRESENT SOME 04:50:23:17 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION 101 BASICS: 04:50:25:17 --:--:--:-- WHAT IS INTERDICTION, 04:50:27:08 --:--:--:-- WHO IS CUT OUT TO DO THE JOB, 04:50:29:01 --:--:--:-- HOW INTERDICTION WORKS, 04:50:30:04 --:--:--:-- AND FINALLY, 04:50:30:29 --:--:--:-- WHAT BARRIERS MAY BE FACED? 04:50:33:11 --:--:--:-- PLUS, ALONG THE WAY, WE'RE 04:50:34:11 --:--:--:-- GOING TO TELL YOU HOW YOU CAN 04:50:35:10 --:--:--:-- GET MORE TRAINING AND 04:50:36:14 --:--:--:-- INFORMATION ON THE SUBJECT OF 04:50:38:02 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION, SHOULD YOU BE-- 04:50:39:09 --:--:--:-- SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE 04:50:40:09 --:--:--:-- TO PURSUE. 04:50:41:03 --:--:--:-- SO LET ME INTRODUCE OUR 04:50:42:18 --:--:--:-- PANEL TODAY, AND I'LL BEGIN WITH 04:50:44:15 --:--:--:-- RANDY MEANS, WHO IS AN ATTORNEY 04:50:46:18 --:--:--:-- SPECIALIZING IN LAW 04:50:47:23 --:--:--:-- ENFORCEMENT ISSUES. 04:50:49:08 --:--:--:-- MIKE LEWIS IS AN EXPERT IN 04:50:50:23 --:--:--:-- HIGHWAY INTERDICTION, AND 04:50:51:26 --:--:--:-- AFTER YEARS WITH THE MARYLAND 04:50:53:00 --:--:--:-- STATE POLICE, HE IS NOW SHERIFF 04:50:54:21 --:--:--:-- OF WICOMICO COUNTY, MARYLAND. 04:50:57:18 --:--:--:-- AND CLAY SEARLE, PRESIDENT OF 04:50:59:07 --:--:--:-- THE INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS 04:51:00:12 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION ASSOCIATION AND A 04:51:02:06 --:--:--:-- RETIRED OFFICER FROM THE LOS 04:51:03:21 --:--:--:-- ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT. 04:51:05:19 --:--:--:-- WELL, WELCOME TO THE BROADCAST, 04:51:06:23 --:--:--:-- GENTLEMEN. 04:51:07:23 --:--:--:-- LET'S START KIND OF AT THE 04:51:08:29 --:--:--:-- BEGINNING. 04:51:09:14 --:--:--:-- LET'S DEFINE WHAT 04:51:10:16 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION IS. 04:51:11:13 --:--:--:-- CLAY, I'LL ASK YOU. 04:51:12:06 --:--:--:-- WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF 04:51:13:22 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION? 04:51:14:22 --:--:--:-- >> WELL, I THINK DOMESTICALLY, 04:51:16:05 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, WHEN INTERDICTION IS 04:51:17:03 --:--:--:-- DONE, IT'S A PROCESS OF USING 04:51:19:05 --:--:--:-- YOUR--THE TRANSPORTATION CENTERS 04:51:21:10 --:--:--:-- AND THE HIGHWAYS IN THIS COUNTRY 04:51:23:20 --:--:--:-- IN TRYING TO PICK OUT THE 04:51:26:04 --:--:--:-- ILLEGITIMATE INDIVIDUALS FROM 04:51:28:13 --:--:--:-- THE LEGITIMATE TRAVELERS THAT 04:51:29:20 --:--:--:-- WE HAVE GOING THROUGH OUR 04:51:31:13 --:--:--:-- DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION 04:51:32:17 --:--:--:-- CENTERS, USING CHARACTERISTICS 04:51:34:27 --:--:--:-- TO SEPARATE THEM OUT FROM NORMAL 04:51:36:17 --:--:--:-- PASSENGERS. 04:51:37:19 --:--:--:-- >> MM-HMM, OKAY. 04:51:38:05 --:--:--:-- MIKE, HOW DOES INTERDICTION 04:51:40:15 --:--:--:-- DIFFER FROM PLAIN OLD GOOD 04:51:42:08 --:--:--:-- POLICE WORK? 04:51:44:01 --:--:--:-- >> IT'S JUST USING YOUR POWERS 04:51:45:04 --:--:--:-- OF OBSERVATION TO LOOK FOR ANY 04:51:47:08 --:--:--:-- AND ALL SIGNS OF CRIMINAL 04:51:48:09 --:--:--:-- ACTIVITY DURING ROUTINE 04:51:49:12 --:--:--:-- TRAFFIC STOPS 04:51:50:11 --:--:--:-- AND TAKING THAT TRAFFIC 04:51:51:10 --:--:--:-- STOP A STEP FURTHER 04:51:52:22 --:--:--:-- AND KNOWING WHAT YOU CAN AND 04:51:53:22 --:--:--:-- CANNOT DO IN THE FOURTH 04:51:54:22 --:--:--:-- AMENDMENT ARENA. 04:51:56:06 --:--:--:-- NOW, THAT'S VERY POWERFUL, AND 04:51:57:07 --:--:--:-- THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO DO 04:51:58:14 --:--:--:-- OUT THERE ON THE ROAD. 04:51:59:27 --:--:--:-- >> RANDY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY 04:52:01:00 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION IS TRYING TO 04:52:01:29 --:--:--:-- ACCOMPLISH? 04:52:02:18 --:--:--:-- WE'VE GOT THE DEFINITION. 04:52:03:20 --:--:--:-- WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT IT IS FROM 04:52:05:06 --:--:--:-- MIKE'S POINT OF VIEW. 04:52:05:27 --:--:--:-- FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, WHAT IS 04:52:07:16 --:--:--:-- IT TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? 04:52:08:15 --:--:--:-- >> WELL, YOU HAVE SEVERAL 04:52:09:23 --:--:--:-- DIFFERENT KINDS OF INTERDICTION. 04:52:11:03 --:--:--:-- YOU HAVE--OF COURSE, DRUG 04:52:11:27 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION SEEKS TO RID THESE 04:52:14:01 --:--:--:-- TROUBLE SPOTS OF THE DRUG FLOW 04:52:16:14 --:--:--:-- AND ULTIMATELY INTERDICT THAT 04:52:18:26 --:--:--:-- FLOW. 04:52:19:11 --:--:--:-- BUT WHAT MIKE IS TALKING ABOUT 04:52:21:16 --:--:--:-- IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY LAW 04:52:22:25 --:--:--:-- ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN AMERICA 04:52:24:01 --:--:--:-- SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO. 04:52:24:28 --:--:--:-- THAT IS, EVERY WELL-TRAINED, 04:52:26:21 --:--:--:-- EXPERIENCED OFFICER SHOULD BE 04:52:28:01 --:--:--:-- ABLE TO DO INTERDICTION IN 04:52:29:13 --:--:--:-- ANY CONTACT WITH CITIZENRY 04:52:31:29 --:--:--:-- DURING A TRAFFIC STOP OR 04:52:33:17 --:--:--:-- ANY OTHER EVENT. 04:52:34:10 --:--:--:-- AND THE SPECIALIZED TYPE 04:52:36:28 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION THAT CLAY SPEAKS OF 04:52:38:24 --:--:--:-- REQUIRES HIGHLY SPECIALIZED 04:52:40:08 --:--:--:-- TRAINING AND A LOT OF 04:52:41:19 --:--:--:-- COORDINATION OF WORK. 04:52:43:02 --:--:--:-- BUT THE THING THAT MIKE IS 04:52:45:01 --:--:--:-- DESCRIBING IS SOMETHING, REALLY, 04:52:46:10 --:--:--:-- THAT A PATROL OFFICER SHOULD BE 04:52:47:27 --:--:--:-- ABLE TO DO. 04:52:48:17 --:--:--:-- >> VERY GOOD. 04:52:49:10 --:--:--:-- CLAY, LET'S GO TO YOU. 04:52:51:02 --:--:--:-- YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH LAW 04:52:52:25 --:--:--:-- ENFORCEMENT FOR MANY YEARS, AND 04:52:54:07 --:--:--:-- YOU GO BACK TO THE VERY 04:52:56:00 --:--:--:-- BEGINNING OF THE WORD 04:52:57:06 --:--:--:-- "INTERDICTION," YOU MIGHT SAY, 04:52:58:12 --:--:--:-- AND THE DEVELOPMENT IN IT. 04:52:59:07 --:--:--:-- WHY DON'T YOU TAKE US BACK AND 04:53:00:11 --:--:--:-- GIVE US A LITTLE IDEA OF WHAT 04:53:01:23 --:--:--:-- TOOK PLACE TO DEVELOP 04:53:03:02 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION FROM, WHAT, ON THE 04:53:04:16 --:--:--:-- WEST COAST FOR YOU? 04:53:05:20 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, DEFINITELY THE WEST 04:53:06:25 --:--:--:-- COAST. 04:53:07:28 --:--:--:-- PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY GOOD-- 04:53:09:22 --:--:--:-- I'M TALKING ABOUT DRUG 04:53:10:12 --:--:--:-- TRAFFICKING NOW--PEOPLE WORKING 04:53:11:24 --:--:--:-- NARCOTICS NOTICE THAT THE 04:53:12:29 --:--:--:-- AIRPORTS ARE STARTING TO BE 04:53:14:03 --:--:--:-- UTILIZED BY INTERNATIONAL 04:53:15:16 --:--:--:-- ORGANIZATIONS. 04:53:17:02 --:--:--:-- SO IN '76, MYSELF AND A GROUP OF 04:53:20:05 --:--:--:-- L.A.P.D. DETECTIVES WENT OUT TO 04:53:22:06 --:--:--:-- THE L.A. AIRPORT THE SAME TIME 04:53:23:27 --:--:--:-- THERE WAS A GROUP OF D.E.A. 04:53:25:10 --:--:--:-- AGENTS AT DETROIT, 04:53:26:05 --:--:--:-- AND WE BEGAN STUMBLING OUR WAY 04:53:29:16 --:--:--:-- THROUGH, TRYING TO FIND THESE 04:53:30:24 --:--:--:-- CHARACTERISTICS AND HOW TO PICK 04:53:32:04 --:--:--:-- OUT THESE DRUG COURIERS, 04:53:33:08 --:--:--:-- AND DEVELOPED CERTAIN TECHNIQUES 04:53:35:18 --:--:--:-- THAT THEN SPREAD TO BUS STATIONS 04:53:38:20 --:--:--:-- AND TRAIN STATIONS AND PARCELS 04:53:41:02 --:--:--:-- AND HOTEL/MOTEL. 04:53:42:27 --:--:--:-- AND THE BASIC CONCEPT CAUGHT ON 04:53:44:23 --:--:--:-- THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, 04:53:46:01 --:--:--:-- WHERE YOU SAW THESE OTHER 04:53:47:06 --:--:--:-- AGENCIES BEGINNING TO GET 04:53:48:14 --:--:--:-- INVOLVED, REALIZING IT WAS A 04:53:49:24 --:--:--:-- DEFINITELY GOOD ENFORCEMENT 04:53:51:22 --:--:--:-- METHOD. 04:53:52:18 --:--:--:-- AND THEN ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, 04:53:53:25 --:--:--:-- IN THE '80s, HIGHWAY 04:53:54:21 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION BECAME MORE 04:53:55:16 --:--:--:-- FORMALIZED AND PEOPLE OUT OF-- 04:53:58:08 --:--:--:-- BUTCH MILAN--SOME PEOPLE 04:53:59:05 --:--:--:-- OUT OF LOUISIANA STARTED 04:54:00:08 --:--:--:-- FORMALIZING IT, 04:54:01:11 --:--:--:-- AGAIN, RECOGNIZED IT AS A GREAT 04:54:03:05 --:--:--:-- METHOD OF ARRESTING THESE 04:54:05:12 --:--:--:-- CRIMINALS. 04:54:06:17 --:--:--:-- >> AND THE NEED IS GREAT AND WAS 04:54:08:06 --:--:--:-- GREAT BACK THEN AND STILL IS. 04:54:09:28 --:--:--:-- MIKE, TALK TO ME ABOUT FROM YOUR 04:54:11:18 --:--:--:-- PERSPECTIVE, 04:54:12:13 --:--:--:-- THE HISTORY THAT YOU'VE SEEN GO 04:54:14:07 --:--:--:-- ABOUT WITH INTERDICTION. 04:54:15:05 --:--:--:-- GIVE ME A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE 04:54:16:06 --:--:--:-- THERE. 04:54:16:23 --:--:--:-- >> STAN, I STARTED WORKING ON 04:54:17:23 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION IN THE MID-'80s AS 04:54:18:27 --:--:--:-- A MARYLAND STATE TROOPER. 04:54:20:02 --:--:--:-- AND I WORKED A SMALL U.S. ROUTE, 04:54:22:09 --:--:--:-- U.S. ROUTE 13 ON MARYLAND'S 04:54:24:08 --:--:--:-- EASTERN SHORE. 04:54:25:21 --:--:--:-- AND RIGHT AWAY WE STARTED MAKING 04:54:27:08 --:--:--:-- RECORD CRACK COCAINE SEIZURES ON 04:54:29:08 --:--:--:-- U.S. ROUTE 13, MULTIPLE KILOS OF 04:54:31:14 --:--:--:-- CRACK BEING SMUGGLED IN VERY 04:54:33:06 --:--:--:-- ELABORATELY CONSTRUCTED 04:54:34:16 --:--:--:-- ELECTRONICALLY AND/OR 04:54:35:15 --:--:--:-- HYDRAULICALLY CONTROLLED FALSE 04:54:36:22 --:--:--:-- COMPARTMENTS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 04:54:38:14 --:--:--:-- VEHICLES. 04:54:39:09 --:--:--:-- IT WAS THE FIRST OF ITS KIND ON 04:54:40:29 --:--:--:-- THE EASTERN SHORE OF MARYLAND. 04:54:41:29 --:--:--:-- THEY HAD NEVER BEEN SEEN. 04:54:43:09 --:--:--:-- >> AND THESE COMPARTMENTS WERE 04:54:44:11 --:--:--:-- FOR WHAT PURPOSE? 04:54:45:10 --:--:--:-- >> THEY WERE MANUFACTURED SOLELY 04:54:46:27 --:--:--:-- TO CONTAIN CONTRABAND, GENERALLY 04:54:49:00 --:--:--:-- COCAINE, HEROIN, MARIJUANA, AND 04:54:51:10 --:--:--:-- WEAPONS, AND CERTAINLY BULK U.S. 04:54:53:05 --:--:--:-- CURRENCY. 04:54:54:02 --:--:--:-- AND EVEN TODAY, THE BULK OF THE 04:54:56:21 --:--:--:-- SEIZURES THAT ARE BEING 04:54:57:18 --:--:--:-- ENCOUNTERED ACROSS THE COUNTRY 04:54:58:29 --:--:--:-- ON HIGHWAYS ARE ENCOUNTERED IN 04:55:01:00 --:--:--:-- ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED 04:55:02:02 --:--:--:-- COMPARTMENTS MANUFACTURED BY 04:55:03:25 --:--:--:-- LARGE DRUG TRAFFICKING 04:55:05:01 --:--:--:-- ORGANIZATIONS. 04:55:05:28 --:--:--:-- AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE THEM 04:55:07:24 --:--:--:-- EVERY SINGLE DAY WHILE OUT ON 04:55:09:02 --:--:--:-- PATROL. 04:55:09:28 --:--:--:-- AND AS INCREASED ENFORCEMENT 04:55:12:08 --:--:--:-- CONTINUES IN TRANSPORTATION 04:55:13:28 --:--:--:-- CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED 04:55:14:27 --:--:--:-- STATES, IT WILL PUSH THE DRUG 04:55:16:04 --:--:--:-- TRAFFICKERS BACK ON THE 04:55:17:00 --:--:--:-- HIGHWAYS. 04:55:18:05 --:--:--:-- >> RANDY, WHAT'S YOUR 04:55:19:02 --:--:--:-- PERSPECTIVE ON THIS? 04:55:20:12 --:--:--:-- THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE? 04:55:22:05 --:--:--:-- >> DURING THE SAME PERIOD OF 04:55:23:10 --:--:--:-- TIME THAT THESE GENTLEMEN JUST 04:55:24:19 --:--:--:-- DESCRIBED, THE LAW OF POLICING 04:55:26:07 --:--:--:-- WAS GROWING. 04:55:28:02 --:--:--:-- THE FOURTH AMENDMENT 04:55:29:03 --:--:--:-- CONSTITUTIONAL LAW OF IT IS, THE 04:55:31:14 --:--:--:-- LAW OF DRUG AND OTHER CRIMINAL 04:55:33:13 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION IS LARGELY THE LAW 04:55:35:05 --:--:--:-- OF POLICING. 04:55:36:07 --:--:--:-- AND MOST OF THE LAW OF POLICING 04:55:37:20 --:--:--:-- WAS FORMED FROM U.S. SUPREME 04:55:39:13 --:--:--:-- COURT DECISIONS THAT CAME FROM 04:55:41:03 --:--:--:-- DRUG CASES. 04:55:42:08 --:--:--:-- SO THE LAW OF POLICING IS 04:55:43:25 --:--:--:-- SIGNIFICANTLY THE LAW OF 04:55:45:02 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION AND VICE VERSA. 04:55:47:00 --:--:--:-- >> WHY HAS INTERDICTION BECOME 04:55:48:11 --:--:--:-- SO FOCUSED, SO CONCENTRATED? 04:55:50:18 --:--:--:-- WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT THAT? 04:55:52:06 --:--:--:-- >> I WOULD SAY IT'S THE EVOLVING 04:55:54:08 --:--:--:-- OF THE DIFFERENT DRUG 04:55:55:02 --:--:--:-- ORGANIZATIONS AND THE 04:55:55:28 --:--:--:-- SOPHISTICATION OF DRUG 04:55:57:19 --:--:--:-- ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT THE 04:55:58:22 --:--:--:-- COUNTRY. 04:55:59:08 --:--:--:-- >> SO THE CRIME HAS DRIVEN THIS? 04:56:01:05 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE 04:56:03:17 --:--:--:-- CONSUMPTION OF THE DRUGS AND THE 04:56:05:17 --:--:--:-- WAY TO DISTRIBUTE THEM--AS WE 04:56:07:28 --:--:--:-- BECAME MORE PROFICIENT IN 04:56:09:04 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION AT AIRPORTS, WE SAW 04:56:11:17 --:--:--:-- THEM MOVE. 04:56:12:26 --:--:--:-- THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE VERY 04:56:14:04 --:--:--:-- FLUID. 04:56:15:03 --:--:--:-- THEY WOULD MOVE OVER TO THE 04:56:16:06 --:--:--:-- BUSES. 04:56:16:25 --:--:--:-- THEY WOULD MOVE OVER TO THE 04:56:17:21 --:--:--:-- HIGHWAY. 04:56:19:12 --:--:--:-- YOU START A GREAT PROGRAM IN 04:56:20:17 --:--:--:-- MARYLAND, I CAN GUARANTEE THEY 04:56:21:27 --:--:--:-- MAY BE BYPASSING THE STATE AND 04:56:23:08 --:--:--:-- GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. 04:56:24:23 --:--:--:-- SO IT'S A VERY FLUID THING AND 04:56:26:29 --:--:--:-- WHAT YOU SEE IS, BECAUSE OF THAT 04:56:28:16 --:--:--:-- FLUIDITY, A LOT OF INTEREST WITH 04:56:30:18 --:--:--:-- DIFFERENT AGENCIES OF TRYING TO 04:56:32:02 --:--:--:-- ATTACK THIS PROBLEM IN THAT 04:56:34:05 --:--:--:-- MANNER. 04:56:34:25 --:--:--:-- >> YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT YOUR 04:56:35:26 --:--:--:-- PERSPECTIVE FROM CALIFORNIA, AND 04:56:37:16 --:--:--:-- MIKE FROM MARYLAND. 04:56:38:28 --:--:--:-- IS IT JUST IN THOSE AREAS? 04:56:40:07 --:--:--:-- ARE WE SEEING INTERDICTION UNITS 04:56:41:12 --:--:--:-- ELSEWHERE AROUND THE COUNTRY? 04:56:42:26 --:--:--:-- >> THEY'RE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 04:56:43:24 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, I THINK WE'VE 04:56:44:24 --:--:--:-- IDENTIFIED THE INTERNATIONAL 04:56:46:14 --:--:--:-- NARCOTICS INTERDICTION 04:56:47:11 --:--:--:-- ASSOCIATION. 04:56:48:12 --:--:--:-- WE'VE IDENTIFIED 308 UNITS. 04:56:50:27 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE DOING INTERDICTION 04:56:51:25 --:--:--:-- THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 04:56:53:01 --:--:--:-- >> THROUGHOUT ALL 50 STATES? 04:56:54:13 --:--:--:-- >> ALL 50 STATES AND CERTAINLY A 04:56:56:11 --:--:--:-- LOT OF FOREIGN COUNTRIES ALSO-- 04:56:57:15 --:--:--:-- HAVE ALSO PICKED UP THIS 04:56:58:18 --:--:--:-- TECHNIQUE. 04:56:59:23 --:--:--:-- >> STAN, INDIVIDUAL AGENCIES 04:57:01:13 --:--:--:-- ALSO HAVE UNITS QUITE OFTEN THAT 04:57:03:17 --:--:--:-- ARE NOT NECESSARILY 04:57:04:16 --:--:--:-- MULTIJURISDICTIONAL. 04:57:06:19 --:--:--:-- >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? 04:57:07:17 --:--:--:-- >> A GIVEN SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR 04:57:09:27 --:--:--:-- POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE ITS 04:57:11:08 --:--:--:-- OWN UNIT THAT WILL NOT 04:57:12:26 --:--:--:-- NECESSARILY BE A 04:57:14:05 --:--:--:-- MULTIJURISDICTIONAL UNIT. 04:57:15:22 --:--:--:-- IT'LL BE SORT OF AN IN-HOUSE 04:57:17:08 --:--:--:-- TYPE OF OPERATION. 04:57:18:06 --:--:--:-- >> SO NOT NECESSARILY 04:57:19:09 --:--:--:-- CORPORATELY ORGANIZED FROM 04:57:21:04 --:--:--:-- COUNTY TO COUNTY OR IN THE 04:57:22:16 --:--:--:-- STATE? 04:57:23:08 --:--:--:-- IT WOULD BE MORE COUNTY TO 04:57:24:04 --:--:--:-- COUNTY? 04:57:25:04 --:--:--:-- >> YOU KNOW, STAN, YOU HAD SAID 04:57:26:03 --:--:--:-- AWHILE AGO, "WHY THE RENEWED 04:57:27:09 --:--:--:-- FOCUS ALL OF A SUDDEN?" 04:57:28:20 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE IT'S SO EFFECTIVE. 04:57:30:16 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION IS SO EFFECTIVE. 04:57:32:03 --:--:--:-- IT IS THE NUMBER ONE MEANS FOR 04:57:33:08 --:--:--:-- DISRUPTING THE FLOW OF DRUGS 04:57:34:12 --:--:--:-- COMING INTO AND THROUGHOUT THE 04:57:36:08 --:--:--:-- UNITED STATES. 04:57:37:03 --:--:--:-- IF YOU HAVE SUCCESSFUL 04:57:38:01 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION TEAMS OUT THERE 04:57:39:07 --:--:--:-- WORKING, THEY WILL SEIZE, BY 04:57:40:27 --:--:--:-- FAR, MORE LARGE SHIPMENTS OF 04:57:42:24 --:--:--:-- COCAINE, HEROIN, MARIJUANA, AND 04:57:44:26 --:--:--:-- BULK U.S. CURRENCY THAN ANY 04:57:47:03 --:--:--:-- FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY 04:57:48:12 --:--:--:-- OUT THERE. 04:57:49:07 --:--:--:-- IT'S JUST PAYING ATTENTION TO 04:57:50:14 --:--:--:-- TELLTALE SIGNS OF CRIMINAL 04:57:51:16 --:--:--:-- ACTIVITY DURING A TRAFFIC STOP. 04:57:53:05 --:--:--:-- >> AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT 04:57:54:05 --:--:--:-- SOME OF THE TERRORIST ACTIVITY 04:57:56:00 --:--:--:-- THAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY, 04:57:57:24 --:--:--:-- IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN REALIZED-- 04:57:59:06 --:--:--:-- WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DOING 04:58:00:16 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION AT THE AIRPORT, WE 04:58:01:25 --:--:--:-- WERE LOOKING FOR DRUG COURIERS, 04:58:03:03 --:--:--:-- AND RIGHT AWAY, WE BEGAN TO 04:58:04:12 --:--:--:-- NOTICE THAT, USING THOSE SAME 04:58:05:25 --:--:--:-- CHARACTERISTICS, WE'RE RUNNING 04:58:07:15 --:--:--:-- INTO ALL KINDS OF OTHER 04:58:08:16 --:--:--:-- CRIMINALS: 04:58:09:11 --:--:--:-- KIDNAPPERS, PEOPLE FOR HIRE FOR 04:58:11:29 --:--:--:-- MURDERS, AND INDEED, 04:58:13:13 --:--:--:-- TERRORISTS AT THIS POINT. 04:58:15:04 --:--:--:-- OUR INTERDICTION UNITS HAVE 04:58:16:23 --:--:--:-- ARRESTED NUMEROUS TERRORISTS. 04:58:18:29 --:--:--:-- OVERSEAS, WE'VE ARRESTED SOME 04:58:20:18 --:--:--:-- TERRORISTS, ALL USING THIS SAME 04:58:22:08 --:--:--:-- TECHNIQUE, AND I THINK SOME 04:58:23:28 --:--:--:-- AGENCIES HAVE SEEN THE VALUE OF 04:58:24:29 --:--:--:-- THAT. 04:58:25:15 --:--:--:-- I THINK A LOT OF AGENCIES HAVE 04:58:26:20 --:--:--:-- NOT REALIZED THE VALUE OF 04:58:27:26 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION FOR THESE OTHER 04:58:28:29 --:--:--:-- CRIMES, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT 04:58:31:02 --:--:--:-- WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT. 04:58:32:16 --:--:--:-- >> WHO IS INVOLVED IN 04:58:33:20 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION? 04:58:34:05 --:--:--:-- OBVIOUSLY LAW ENFORCEMENT. 04:58:36:01 --:--:--:-- WHO ELSE IS INVOLVED IN THIS 04:58:37:08 --:--:--:-- PICTURE? 04:58:37:24 --:--:--:-- MIKE? 04:58:39:04 --:--:--:-- >> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE 04:58:40:19 --:--:--:-- INVOLVED IN INTERDICTION. 04:58:41:16 --:--:--:-- AS YOU SAID, LAW ENFORCEMENT. 04:58:42:22 --:--:--:-- BUT THERE ARE CERTAINLY 04:58:44:03 --:--:--:-- EMPLOYERS AT THE CORPORATE LEVEL 04:58:45:19 --:--:--:-- OF INVOLVEMENT IDENTIFYING 04:58:46:16 --:--:--:-- CERTAIN PEOPLE TO DO 04:58:47:20 --:--:--:-- CERTAIN TASKS. 04:58:48:23 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTORS, QUITE HONESTLY, 04:58:51:19 --:--:--:-- ARE A GROWING BREED RIGHT NOW. 04:58:54:00 --:--:--:-- AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT. 04:58:54:28 --:--:--:-- BUT IT'S A DIRECT RESULT OF THE 04:58:56:03 --:--:--:-- TRAINING, THE SPECIALIZED 04:58:57:03 --:--:--:-- TRAINING, THAT WE AS 04:58:58:17 --:--:--:-- INSTRUCTORS ARE PUTTING ON 04:58:59:18 --:--:--:-- THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES. 04:59:01:19 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION'S VERY EFFECTIVE. 04:59:03:03 --:--:--:-- WE CAN'T LET IT DIE. 04:59:05:04 --:--:--:-- AS CLAY SAID AWHILE AGO, THERE 04:59:07:00 --:--:--:-- HAVE BEEN MANY TERRORISTS 04:59:07:26 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTED ON THE ROADWAYS AS 04:59:09:25 --:--:--:-- THEY TRAVEL TO AND FROM POINT 04:59:11:26 --:--:--:-- "A" TO POINT "B." 04:59:12:28 --:--:--:-- BUT PEOPLE CANNOT FORGET THAT 04:59:14:29 --:--:--:-- 1 OF THE 19 TERRORISTS WAS 04:59:16:11 --:--:--:-- STOPPED ON INTERSTATE 95 IN 04:59:18:10 --:--:--:-- MARYLAND BY A MARYLAND STATE 04:59:20:01 --:--:--:-- TROOPER EN ROUTE TO NEWARK 04:59:21:17 --:--:--:-- INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. 04:59:22:19 --:--:--:-- >> WHEN YOU SAY 1 OF THE 19, 04:59:23:28 --:--:--:-- YOU'RE MEANING-- 04:59:24:16 --:--:--:-- >> ZIAD JARRAH, 04:59:25:11 --:--:--:-- THE PILOT OF FLIGHT 93 THAT 04:59:27:00 --:--:--:-- CRASHED INTO MOUNTAINS OF 04:59:27:28 --:--:--:-- SHANKSVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA. 04:59:29:10 --:--:--:-- HE WAS STOPPED EN ROUTE FOR 04:59:30:17 --:--:--:-- TRAVELING 90 IN A POSTED 04:59:32:23 --:--:--:-- 65-MILE-PER-HOUR ZONE. 04:59:34:01 --:--:--:-- HE WAS ISSUED A CITATION BY A 04:59:35:21 --:--:--:-- MARYLAND STATE TROOPER EN 04:59:36:26 --:--:--:-- ROUTE TO CARRY OUT HIS ATTACK ON 04:59:37:27 --:--:--:-- OUR COUNTRY. 04:59:38:16 --:--:--:-- SO WE CAN'T LOSE FOCUS OF THAT. 04:59:40:07 --:--:--:-- AND IN FACT, THERE WERE FOUR 04:59:41:15 --:--:--:-- TERRORISTS THAT WERE STOPPED IN 04:59:42:15 --:--:--:-- THE DAYS LEADING UP TO 04:59:43:15 --:--:--:-- SEPTEMBER THE 11th, BUT ONE WAS 04:59:45:17 --:--:--:-- STOPPED EN ROUTE TO NEWARK 04:59:46:23 --:--:--:-- INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT BY ONE 04:59:48:06 --:--:--:-- OF MY GUYS WHO WORKED ON MY 04:59:49:20 --:--:--:-- TEAM, EN ROUTE TO NEWARK 04:59:51:29 --:--:--:-- INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. 04:59:53:16 --:--:--:-- >> ARE WE SEEING THE TIP OF THE 04:59:54:25 --:--:--:-- ICEBERG HERE? 04:59:55:20 --:--:--:-- ARE WE FURTHER DOWN IN REGARD TO 04:59:57:28 --:--:--:-- THE PROGRESS AND WHAT'S BEING 04:59:59:20 --:--:--:-- ACCOMPLISHED WITH INTERDICTION? 05:00:03:10 --:--:--:-- WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? 05:00:03:28 --:--:--:-- >> I WOULD DEFER TO THEM ON THAT 05:00:05:05 --:--:--:-- QUESTION. 05:00:06:00 --:--:--:-- >> I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE 05:00:08:14 --:--:--:-- SOME ENCOURAGING SIGNS AND THERE 05:00:09:21 --:--:--:-- ARE SOME VERY DISCOURAGING SIGNS 05:00:10:29 --:--:--:-- IN INTERDICTION. 05:00:12:08 --:--:--:-- >> IS IT ONE OF THESE THINGS 05:00:13:05 --:--:--:-- THAT'S MUCH DEEPER NOW THAT 05:00:14:15 --:--:--:-- YOU'VE OPENED THAT DOOR? 05:00:15:15 --:--:--:-- AND YOU'VE FOUND, "WAIT A 05:00:16:19 --:--:--:-- MINUTE, THIS THING JUST FANS OUT 05:00:18:28 --:--:--:-- IN SO MANY DIFFERENT 05:00:19:16 --:--:--:-- DIRECTIONS." 05:00:20:09 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, AND I 05:00:21:11 --:--:--:-- THINK THAT'S REALIZED BY PEOPLE 05:00:22:15 --:--:--:-- THAT ARE PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE 05:00:23:17 --:--:--:-- DOING INTERDICTION OUT THERE. 05:00:24:19 --:--:--:-- UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK, SOME OF 05:00:25:29 --:--:--:-- THE ESTABLISHMENT LAW 05:00:27:03 --:--:--:-- ENFORCEMENT, SOME OF THE 05:00:27:26 --:--:--:-- MANAGEMENT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT DO 05:00:29:01 --:--:--:-- NOT REALIZE THE VALUE OF 05:00:30:05 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION. 05:00:31:23 --:--:--:-- EITHER, TRADITIONALLY, THEY CAME 05:00:33:09 --:--:--:-- FROM A DIFFERENT BACKGROUND, AND 05:00:34:17 --:--:--:-- IT'S SOMETHING THEY DON'T 05:00:35:22 --:--:--:-- UNDERSTAND, AND THEY DON'T 05:00:36:22 --:--:--:-- UNDERSTAND THE VALUE. 05:00:38:03 --:--:--:-- SO I MEAN, WE SEE PROGRESS IN 05:00:39:21 --:--:--:-- SOME AREAS WHERE THERE'S 05:00:40:16 --:--:--:-- ENLIGHTENED MANAGEMENT, PEOPLE 05:00:41:26 --:--:--:-- THAT UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF 05:00:42:25 --:--:--:-- THIS, WHERE PEOPLE ARE STILL 05:00:44:04 --:--:--:-- TRAPPED IN THE PAST 05:00:45:06 --:--:--:-- OR AFRAID OF CIVIL LIABILITY 05:00:47:08 --:--:--:-- OR THAT ISSUES. 05:00:48:26 --:--:--:-- WE SEE PEOPLE HESITATING TO DO 05:00:50:20 --:--:--:-- WHAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST 05:00:51:27 --:--:--:-- EFFECTIVE FORM OF POLICE WORK ON 05:00:53:13 --:--:--:-- THE FRONT LINE. 05:00:54:04 --:--:--:-- >> GOT YOU. 05:00:54:22 --:--:--:-- RANDY, I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU 05:00:55:16 --:--:--:-- A QUESTION, BUT I FIRST WANT TO 05:00:56:22 --:--:--:-- FIND OUT FROM MIKE AND CLAY, IS 05:00:58:21 --:--:--:-- THERE A TYPICAL INTERDICTION 05:01:00:04 --:--:--:-- ACTIVITY THAT TAKES PLACE? 05:01:01:22 --:--:--:-- WOULD YOU SAY THAT, 99% OF THE 05:01:04:01 --:--:--:-- TIME, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING 05:01:04:29 --:--:--:-- TO FIND? 05:01:07:06 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, I WOULD SAY IT IS. 05:01:09:09 --:--:--:-- AS A TRAINED INTERDICTION 05:01:10:22 --:--:--:-- OFFICER, WHETHER YOU'RE WORKING 05:01:11:26 --:--:--:-- IN THE AIRPORTS, THE TRAIN 05:01:13:07 --:--:--:-- STATIONS, THE BUS STATIONS, YOU 05:01:15:10 --:--:--:-- CERTAINLY LOOK FOR 05:01:16:09 --:--:--:-- CHARACTERISTICS OF AN INDIVIDUAL 05:01:17:25 --:--:--:-- WHO'S INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL 05:01:18:29 --:--:--:-- ACTIVITY. 05:01:20:07 --:--:--:-- AND YOU CERTAINLY KNOW 05:01:21:03 --:--:--:-- EXACTLY WHICH DIRECTION YOU'RE 05:01:22:11 --:--:--:-- GOING TO GO IN WHEN YOU SEE 05:01:23:06 --:--:--:-- THESE INDICATORS 05:01:24:06 --:--:--:-- AND THE LINES OF QUESTIONING 05:01:25:06 --:--:--:-- YOU'RE GOING TO ASK. 05:01:26:11 --:--:--:-- BUT YEAH, INTERDICTION ACTIVITY 05:01:28:03 --:--:--:-- IS PRETTY TYPICAL AMONG LAW 05:01:29:17 --:--:--:-- ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. 05:01:31:05 --:--:--:-- >> RANDY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE-- 05:01:33:09 --:--:--:-- FROM THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE ON 05:01:34:07 --:--:--:-- YOUR PART. 05:01:34:23 --:--:--:-- IS THERE CASE LAW THAT GOVERNS 05:01:36:10 --:--:--:-- THIS? 05:01:36:26 --:--:--:-- WHAT KIND OF BACKGROUND 05:01:37:21 --:--:--:-- INFORMATION CAN YOU GIVE ME ON 05:01:38:27 --:--:--:-- THIS? 05:01:39:23 --:--:--:-- >> WELL, THE STARTING POINT, OF 05:01:40:27 --:--:--:-- COURSE, IS THE U.S. SUPREME 05:01:42:17 --:--:--:-- COURT, AND UNDERSTANDING THE 05:01:44:27 --:--:--:-- CASE LAW FROM THAT COURT THAT 05:01:46:20 --:--:--:-- APPLIES TO THESE SITUATIONS IS, 05:01:48:07 --:--:--:-- OF COURSE, CRITICAL. 05:01:49:02 --:--:--:-- BUT BEYOND THAT, OF COURSE, THE 05:01:50:19 --:--:--:-- COUNTRY IS DIVIDED INTO FEDERAL 05:01:52:04 --:--:--:-- CIRCUIT COURTS OF APPEAL. 05:01:54:05 --:--:--:-- AND KNOWING WHAT YOUR CIRCUIT 05:01:56:17 --:--:--:-- HAS HELD IN A GIVEN AREA IS 05:01:58:13 --:--:--:-- CRITICAL. 05:01:59:03 --:--:--:-- AND THEN, OF COURSE, IT FILTERS 05:02:00:08 --:--:--:-- DOWN THEN TO YOUR STATE SUPREME 05:02:01:23 --:--:--:-- COURTS AND YOUR STATE COURTS OF 05:02:03:01 --:--:--:-- APPEAL. 05:02:03:24 --:--:--:-- AND THEN BEYOND THAT, OF COURSE, 05:02:05:02 --:--:--:-- IS YOUR OWN AGENCY POLICY. 05:02:07:06 --:--:--:-- AND YOU HAVE TO--THESE ARE 05:02:09:00 --:--:--:-- BASICALLY LAYERS OF CONCERNS 05:02:11:03 --:--:--:-- THAT AN OFFICER HAS TO BE 05:02:13:26 --:--:--:-- DEALING WITH CONSTANTLY IN 05:02:15:21 --:--:--:-- UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE OR SHE CAN 05:02:17:14 --:--:--:-- AND CANNOT DO. 05:02:18:13 --:--:--:-- SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S THAT AS A 05:02:22:09 --:--:--:-- STARTING POINT. 05:02:22:29 --:--:--:-- BUT REALLY, MOST OF THE LAW OF 05:02:25:17 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION FLOWS FROM U.S. 05:02:27:03 --:--:--:-- SUPREME COURT DECISIONS. 05:02:28:12 --:--:--:-- AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING THOSE 05:02:29:18 --:--:--:-- DECISIONS IS THE STARTING POINT. 05:02:31:15 --:--:--:-- >> VERY GOOD, WELL-- 05:02:33:07 --:--:--:-- WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT 05:02:34:01 --:--:--:-- BREAK FROM OUR DISCUSSION, AND 05:02:35:13 --:--:--:-- WHEN WE COME BACK, IN SEGMENT 05:02:36:24 --:--:--:-- TWO, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 05:02:38:21 --:--:--:-- WHO IS RIGHT TO DO INTERDICTION 05:02:40:15 05:02:43:14 WORK. 05:02:51:16 --:--:--:-- 05:02:52:14 --:--:--:-- >>  A, B, C, D, PCP,  05:02:56:04 --:--:--:--  E OR X AND THC,  05:02:59:15 --:--:--:--  SPECIAL K AND LSD,  05:03:02:29 --:--:--:--  Js AND H AND GHB.  05:03:06:25 --:--:--:--  NOW I KNOW MY DRUGS,  05:03:09:10 --:--:--:--  YOU SEE.  05:03:10:13 --:--:--:--  NEXT TIME, WON'T YOU  05:03:12:11 --:--:--:--  SING WITH ME?  05:03:13:17 --:--:--:-- >> male announcer: DO YOU KNOW 05:03:14:14 05:03:16:14 WHAT YOUR KIDS KNOW ABOUT DRUGS? 05:03:18:21 05:03:20:29 VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT: 05:03:21:14 --:--:--:-- 05:03:21:29 --:--:--:-- >> male announcer: NOW THERE'S 05:03:22:26 --:--:--:-- A DRUG AVAILABLE ALL ACROSS 05:03:24:01 --:--:--:-- AMERICA. 05:03:25:04 --:--:--:-- >> ECSTASY CHANGED MY LIFE. 05:03:27:06 --:--:--:-- >> announcer: ECSTASY IS NOT FOR 05:03:28:10 --:--:--:-- EVERYONE. 05:03:28:27 --:--:--:-- IN FACT, IT'S NOT FOR ANYONE. 05:03:30:25 --:--:--:-- NEW STUDIES SHOW THAT ECSTASY IS 05:03:32:05 --:--:--:-- TOXIC TO THE BODY. 05:03:34:05 --:--:--:-- SIDE EFFECTS MAY INCLUDE 05:03:35:12 --:--:--:-- DEPRESSION, SEVERE ANXIETY, 05:03:36:22 --:--:--:-- HYPERTENSION, HEAT STROKE, 05:03:37:24 --:--:--:-- SEIZURES, HEART ATTACKS, LIVER 05:03:39:08 --:--:--:-- DAMAGE, KIDNEY OR CARDIOVASCULAR 05:03:40:19 --:--:--:-- SYSTEM FAILURE, WORRIED PARENTS, 05:03:42:05 --:--:--:-- LOSS OF FRIENDS, ISOLATION, 05:03:43:20 --:--:--:-- EMPTINESS. 05:03:45:26 --:--:--:-- >> ECSTASY CHANGED MY WHOLE 05:03:46:22 --:--:--:-- LIFE. 05:03:47:07 --:--:--:-- >> announcer: ASK YOUR DOCTOR 05:03:48:03 --:--:--:-- AND SEE WHY ECSTASY ISN'T RIGHT 05:03:48:29 05:03:50:29 FOR YOU. 05:03:51:20 --:--:--:-- 05:04:13:22 --:--:--:-- >> I'LL BE RIGHT THERE, GRANDMA. 05:04:14:29 --:--:--:-- >> OKAY, HON. 05:04:17:18 --:--:--:-- >> female announcer: YOU'LL 05:04:18:15 --:--:--:-- NEVER FORGET THE PEOPLE YOU HURT 05:04:19:12 05:04:21:12 WHEN YOU WANTED TO GET HIGH. 05:04:22:11 --:--:--:-- 05:04:30:13 --:--:--:-- >> WELCOME BACK TO OUR PROGRAM, 05:04:31:19 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION INTRODUCTION. 05:04:33:03 --:--:--:-- WELL, IN OUR FIRST SEGMENT, 05:04:34:07 --:--:--:-- WE COVERED THE BASICS OF WHAT 05:04:35:16 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION IS. 05:04:37:11 --:--:--:-- AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK 05:04:38:04 --:--:--:-- ABOUT WHO DOES IT, 05:04:39:10 --:--:--:-- WHO CAN DO IT, 05:04:40:08 --:--:--:-- AND EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF PERSON 05:04:42:14 --:--:--:-- IS RIGHT FOR INTERDICTION WORK. 05:04:44:01 --:--:--:-- SO, GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GOING TO 05:04:45:10 --:--:--:-- FIND OUT NOW WHO IS CUT OUT-- 05:04:46:24 --:--:--:-- WHO WOULD YOU SAY IS THE RIGHT 05:04:47:27 --:--:--:-- KIND OF PERSON? 05:04:48:26 --:--:--:-- WHAT KIND OF TRAITS DO THEY NEED 05:04:50:01 --:--:--:-- TO HAVE TO BE INVOLVED WITH 05:04:52:18 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION--SPECIALIZED 05:04:53:25 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION, WHATEVER TYPE IT 05:04:55:14 --:--:--:-- MIGHT BE? 05:04:56:04 --:--:--:-- WHO DOES IT NEED TO BE? 05:04:57:18 --:--:--:-- >> WELL, WHEN WE'RE TALKING 05:04:58:16 --:--:--:-- ABOUT SPECIFIC INTERDICTION, 05:05:01:02 --:--:--:-- RATHER THAN HIGHWAY 05:05:02:02 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION, I CAN SPEAK TO 05:05:03:22 --:--:--:-- THIS. 05:05:05:01 --:--:--:-- BEFORE, YOU ASKED ABOUT WHO WAS 05:05:06:07 --:--:--:-- INVOLVED IN INTERDICTION. 05:05:07:17 --:--:--:-- WELL, WITH US, A LOT OF THE 05:05:09:01 --:--:--:-- PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED ARE 05:05:09:26 --:--:--:-- EMPLOYEES OF LEGITIMATE CARRIER 05:05:11:28 --:--:--:-- COMPANIES: THE AIRLINE PEOPLE, 05:05:13:15 --:--:--:-- THE BUS EMPLOYEES, 05:05:14:13 --:--:--:-- THE FED EX EMPLOYEES. 05:05:17:14 --:--:--:-- >> THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE 05:05:18:09 --:--:--:-- INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL ASPECT? 05:05:20:02 --:--:--:-- >> THEY'RE INVOLVED, ACTUALLY, 05:05:21:01 --:--:--:-- IN ASSISTING US AND CATCHING 05:05:23:09 --:--:--:-- THE CRIMINAL ASPECT. 05:05:25:13 --:--:--:-- WE RELY A LOT ON THEIR 05:05:26:24 --:--:--:-- EXPERTISE. 05:05:27:13 --:--:--:-- CERTAINLY NO ONE KNOWS MORE 05:05:28:17 --:--:--:-- ABOUT FED EX THAN THE 05:05:29:13 --:--:--:-- FED EX EMPLOYEES. 05:05:30:27 --:--:--:-- SO WE USE A LOT OF THE AIRLINE 05:05:32:01 --:--:--:-- PEOPLE AND STUFF TO GIVE US 05:05:33:11 --:--:--:-- INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE THAT 05:05:34:13 --:--:--:-- DON'T SEEM TO FIT THE NORM THAT 05:05:35:21 --:--:--:-- ARE USING THEIR SERVICES. 05:05:37:12 --:--:--:-- SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE 05:05:38:21 --:--:--:-- THAT CAN RELATE TO THESE PEOPLE. 05:05:40:16 --:--:--:-- AND THAT'S NOT EVERY POLICEMAN. 05:05:41:28 --:--:--:-- A LOT OF POLICEMEN AND POLICE 05:05:43:23 --:--:--:-- OFFICERS ARE OUT THERE, AND 05:05:46:00 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE VERY ENFORCEMENT-MINDED 05:05:47:08 --:--:--:-- AND VERY MILITARISTIC IN THEIR 05:05:49:04 --:--:--:-- APPROACH. 05:05:49:25 --:--:--:-- SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY A 05:05:50:26 --:--:--:-- LITTLE MORE RELAXED, SOMEBODY 05:05:51:29 --:--:--:-- THAT CAN DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC ON 05:05:54:01 --:--:--:-- A VERY CASUAL BASIS AND GET 05:05:56:02 --:--:--:-- SOMEONE TO MAYBE COOPERATE. 05:05:58:09 --:--:--:-- >> QUIETLY PERSISTENT? 05:06:00:09 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, PERSISTENCE WOULD 05:06:01:27 --:--:--:-- CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING THAT 05:06:03:05 --:--:--:-- THEY--YOU KNOW, DON'T MIND 05:06:04:21 --:--:--:-- TALKING TO PEOPLE AND GOING BACK 05:06:06:04 --:--:--:-- AND TRYING AGAIN AND AGAIN TO 05:06:08:08 --:--:--:-- GET THEM TO MAYBE PROVIDE SOME 05:06:10:07 --:--:--:-- INFORMATION. 05:06:11:13 --:--:--:-- >> MIKE, DOES IT NEED TO BE 05:06:12:08 --:--:--:-- SOMEBODY WHO'S PROACTIVE? 05:06:14:03 --:--:--:-- >> ABSOLUTELY, STAN. 05:06:15:07 --:--:--:-- I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I HISTORICALLY 05:06:16:12 --:--:--:-- SAY COPS ARE BROKEN DOWN 05:06:17:04 --:--:--:-- INTO THREE CATEGORIES. 05:06:18:07 --:--:--:-- YOU HAVE THOSE WHO GO OUT THERE, 05:06:19:03 --:--:--:-- AND THEY MAKE IT HAPPEN. 05:06:20:13 --:--:--:-- YOU'VE GOT THOSE WHO SIT BACK 05:06:21:21 --:--:--:-- AND WATCH IT HAPPEN, AND THEN 05:06:22:23 --:--:--:-- YOU'VE GOT THOSE WHO WONDER HOW 05:06:23:26 --:--:--:-- IN THE WORLD IT HAPPENED PERIOD. 05:06:25:13 --:--:--:-- AND THAT'S VERY, VERY TRUE. 05:06:26:20 --:--:--:-- IT TAKES A PROACTIVE, 05:06:28:25 --:--:--:-- SELF-MOTIVATED INDIVIDUAL WHO 05:06:30:07 --:--:--:-- WANTS TO GO OUT THERE AND EXCEL 05:06:31:22 --:--:--:-- IN TRAFFIC STOPS. 05:06:33:08 --:--:--:-- AND I SAID EARLIER, ALL COPS 05:06:35:17 --:--:--:-- SHOULD HAVE THE BASIC 05:06:36:08 --:--:--:-- FUNDAMENTALS FOR CONDUCTING 05:06:38:02 --:--:--:-- TRAFFIC STOPS AND DOING 05:06:39:01 --:--:--:-- BASIC LEVEL INTERDICTION. 05:06:40:20 --:--:--:-- BUT IF YOU TRULY WANT TO EXCEL 05:06:41:26 --:--:--:-- AT IT, IT REQUIRES SPECIALIZED 05:06:43:11 --:--:--:-- TRAINING, IT REQUIRES PATIENCE, 05:06:45:04 --:--:--:-- AND IT REQUIRES SOMEONE TO BE 05:06:46:08 --:--:--:-- PROACTIVE AND GO OUT THERE AND 05:06:47:07 --:--:--:-- MAKE IT HAPPEN. 05:06:48:09 --:--:--:-- >> SO IF MY INTEREST IS TO GO 05:06:49:11 --:--:--:-- OUT AND TO PUT AS MANY PEOPLE 05:06:51:14 --:--:--:-- INTO JAIL OR TO GIVE OUT AS 05:06:53:01 --:--:--:-- MANY SPEEDING TICKETS AS 05:06:54:01 --:--:--:-- POSSIBLE, THAT'S NOT WHO YOU'RE 05:06:55:09 --:--:--:-- AFTER. 05:06:55:24 --:--:--:-- >> NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING 05:06:56:14 --:--:--:-- TO BE SUCCESSFUL. 05:06:57:15 --:--:--:-- YOU'VE GOT TO PAY ATTENTION TO 05:06:58:17 --:--:--:-- DETAIL ON YOUR TRAFFIC STOPS. 05:07:00:22 --:--:--:-- IT'S NOT ABOUT QUANTITY. 05:07:02:10 --:--:--:-- IT'S ABOUT QUALITY. 05:07:04:06 --:--:--:-- >> WHAT KINDS OF DETAILS? 05:07:05:21 --:--:--:-- >> SOMEONE ON THE HIGHWAY, FOR 05:07:07:27 --:--:--:-- INSTANCE, THAT YOU STOP OUT 05:07:09:01 --:--:--:-- THERE ON THE HIGHWAY, 05:07:09:24 --:--:--:-- THEY WILL DISPLAY A 05:07:11:08 --:--:--:-- LEVEL OF NERVOUSNESS THAT IS NOT 05:07:12:18 --:--:--:-- ASSOCIATED WITH A ROUTINE 05:07:14:10 --:--:--:-- TRAFFIC STOP, 05:07:15:17 --:--:--:-- SOMEONE THAT YOU STOP ON THE 05:07:17:01 --:--:--:-- ROADWAY WHO IS ENGAGED IN 05:07:18:07 --:--:--:-- CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, WHETHER IT'S 05:07:19:07 --:--:--:-- A SERIAL RAPIST, A SERIAL 05:07:20:23 --:--:--:-- MURDERER, A LOAD OF CASH, A LOAD 05:07:23:05 --:--:--:-- OF GUNS, A LOAD OF DRUGS, 05:07:24:18 --:--:--:-- PERHAPS A TERRORIST. 05:07:25:25 --:--:--:-- THE WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO FOR 05:07:27:15 --:--:--:-- THEM IS TO BE STOPPED BY A COP. 05:07:29:28 --:--:--:-- AND WHEN THOSE BLUE LIGHTS COME 05:07:30:26 --:--:--:-- ON AND THEY'RE BEING PULLED 05:07:31:24 --:--:--:-- OVER ON THE SHOULDER OF THE 05:07:32:16 --:--:--:-- ROADWAY, THEY KNOW THEY'RE 05:07:33:27 --:--:--:-- GUILTY. 05:07:34:20 --:--:--:-- WE DON'T KNOW THAT AT THE TIME. 05:07:35:24 --:--:--:-- BUT OUR MERE PRESENCE IN UNIFORM 05:07:38:03 --:--:--:-- COUPLED WITH THEIR GUILT 05:07:39:24 --:--:--:-- PRODUCES A FEAR-INDUCED 05:07:42:10 --:--:--:-- ADRENALINE RUSH. 05:07:43:20 --:--:--:-- AND THAT IS INVOLUNTARY, AND 05:07:45:12 --:--:--:-- IT'S SOMETHING THEY CAN'T 05:07:46:10 --:--:--:-- CONTROL. 05:07:46:28 --:--:--:-- AND IT'S UP TO US TO 05:07:48:11 --:--:--:-- CAPITALIZE ON THOSE INDICATORS. 05:07:50:14 --:--:--:-- >> HOW CAN YOU FIND, WITHIN A 05:07:52:04 --:--:--:-- POLICE DEPARTMENT, A SHERIFF'S 05:07:53:11 --:--:--:-- DEPARTMENT, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT 05:07:54:15 --:--:--:-- BE, THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY 05:07:56:12 --:--:--:-- WHO FITS INTO INTERDICTION TYPE 05:07:58:15 --:--:--:-- OF WORK? 05:07:59:10 --:--:--:-- >> IT'S BASICALLY, YOU NEED TO 05:08:00:28 --:--:--:-- GO OUT AND LOOK AND, IN THE CASE 05:08:02:04 --:--:--:-- OF THE LOS ANGELES POLICE 05:08:02:29 --:--:--:-- DEPARTMENT, SOMEONE FIRST HAS TO 05:08:05:08 --:--:--:-- BECOME A DETECTIVE TO WORK 05:08:06:16 --:--:--:-- NARCOTICS AND THEN START AT A 05:08:08:02 --:--:--:-- DIVISIONAL LEVEL 05:08:09:11 --:--:--:-- AND THEN MAJOR VIOLATORS, AND 05:08:10:19 --:--:--:-- FROM THAT POOL, YOU CAN PICK 05:08:11:25 --:--:--:-- PEOPLE TO WORK INTERDICTION. 05:08:13:19 --:--:--:-- SO IT'S A PRETTY SELECT POOL 05:08:14:23 --:--:--:-- ALREADY. 05:08:16:08 --:--:--:-- SO YOU GO OUT AND TRY TO FIND 05:08:17:17 --:--:--:-- SOMEONE THAT HAS THESE 05:08:18:17 --:--:--:-- ATTRIBUTES THAT MIKE'S TALKING 05:08:20:02 --:--:--:-- ABOUT. 05:08:21:21 --:--:--:-- AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE 05:08:23:15 --:--:--:-- TALKING ABOUT DOMESTIC 05:08:24:16 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION IN AIRPORTS AND 05:08:25:26 --:--:--:-- STUFF, I'M ALSO LOOKING FOR AN 05:08:27:14 --:--:--:-- INVESTIGATOR, SOMEONE NOT JUST 05:08:28:29 --:--:--:-- MAKING THE SEIZURE, 05:08:30:06 --:--:--:-- SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO 05:08:30:29 --:--:--:-- BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP THIS THING 05:08:32:28 --:--:--:-- AND GO BACK UP THE FOOD CHAIN. 05:08:34:26 --:--:--:-- ARRESTING COURIERS IS REALLY, 05:08:37:14 --:--:--:-- BASICALLY, A WASTE OF TIME 05:08:38:24 --:--:--:-- UNLESS THERE'S A FOLLOW-UP DONE 05:08:40:04 --:--:--:-- TO IT. 05:08:40:27 --:--:--:-- TRUST ME, THERE'S A LOT MORE 05:08:42:07 --:--:--:-- COCAINE IN SOUTH AMERICA. 05:08:43:25 --:--:--:-- I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE A LOT OF 05:08:44:18 --:--:--:-- TIMES. 05:08:45:27 --:--:--:-- SEIZING A KILO OF COCAINE 05:08:47:08 --:--:--:-- IS NOT REALLY IMPACTING THE 05:08:48:20 --:--:--:-- PROBLEM. 05:08:49:13 --:--:--:-- SO YOUR JOB IS TO GO BACK UP 05:08:50:28 --:--:--:-- THAT FOOD CHAIN, AND THAT'S WHAT 05:08:52:13 --:--:--:-- GOOD INTERDICTION PEOPLE DO. 05:08:54:05 --:--:--:-- SO YOU NEED--IT'S KIND OF A 05:08:55:24 --:--:--:-- RARE COMBINATION. 05:08:56:18 --:--:--:-- YOU NEED SOMEONE THAT'S A REALLY 05:08:57:17 --:--:--:-- GOOD INVESTIGATOR, AND YOU NEED 05:08:59:14 --:--:--:-- SOMEONE THAT ALSO IS VERY GOOD 05:09:00:27 --:--:--:-- DEALING WITH PEOPLE. 05:09:02:09 --:--:--:-- AND THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS 05:09:03:09 --:--:--:-- NECESSARILY GO HAND IN HAND. 05:09:04:11 --:--:--:-- >> SMART WITH PERSONALITY, ABLE 05:09:06:06 --:--:--:-- TO BLEND IN. 05:09:07:08 --:--:--:-- >> ABSOLUTELY. 05:09:08:10 --:--:--:-- >> INTERESTING. 05:09:09:01 --:--:--:-- >> AND CAN BE AN ACTOR. 05:09:10:23 --:--:--:-- AND CAN BE AN ACTOR. 05:09:11:12 --:--:--:-- >> EXPLAIN THAT. 05:09:11:27 --:--:--:-- WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 05:09:12:13 --:--:--:-- >> ON THE HIGHWAY, FOR INSTANCE, 05:09:13:28 --:--:--:-- BEING OUT THERE ON THE ROADWAY, 05:09:15:14 --:--:--:-- PRETENDING YOU'RE DUMB WHEN YOU 05:09:16:24 --:--:--:-- SEE TELLTALE SIGNS OF CRIMINAL 05:09:18:05 --:--:--:-- ACTIVITY, 05:09:18:29 --:--:--:-- LEADING THEM TO BELIEVE IT IS 05:09:20:11 --:--:--:-- A ROUTINE TRAFFIC STOP WHEN, 05:09:21:25 --:--:--:-- IN FACT, YOU ARE ALREADY SEEING 05:09:23:16 --:--:--:-- INDICATORS THAT ARE LEADING YOU 05:09:24:16 --:--:--:-- TO BELIEVE THERE IS SOME TYPE OF 05:09:26:04 --:--:--:-- CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AFOOT. 05:09:27:11 --:--:--:-- BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO ALERT 05:09:28:14 --:--:--:-- THEM. 05:09:29:05 --:--:--:-- SO YOU HAVE TO BE AN ACTOR. 05:09:30:09 --:--:--:-- AND AS CLAY SAID AWHILE AGO, 05:09:31:28 --:--:--:-- YOU HAVE TO BE VERY KIND. 05:09:33:06 --:--:--:-- YOU HAVE TO BE LAID-BACK. 05:09:34:16 --:--:--:-- YOU CAN'T BE TOO MILITARISTIC. 05:09:36:04 --:--:--:-- YOU CAN'T BE TOO AUTHORITATIVE. 05:09:37:23 --:--:--:-- CERTAINLY NEED TO MAINTAIN 05:09:38:28 --:--:--:-- CONTROL OF THAT TRAFFIC STOP AND 05:09:40:21 --:--:--:-- LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN 05:09:41:26 --:--:--:-- CONTROL WITHOUT REALLY TELLING 05:09:43:13 --:--:--:-- THEM YOU'RE IN CONTROL. 05:09:44:14 --:--:--:-- >> RANDY, ARE WE CROSSING A 05:09:45:09 --:--:--:-- LEGAL LINE HERE? 05:09:46:03 --:--:--:-- >> WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY 05:09:47:08 --:--:--:-- THE INTERPERSONAL SKILLS THAT 05:09:49:18 --:--:--:-- CLAY AND MIKE ARE SPEAKING OF 05:09:51:09 --:--:--:-- AND THE LAW AND THE PROPER USE 05:09:53:25 --:--:--:-- OF AUTHORITY, THEY ALL 05:09:55:01 --:--:--:-- DOVETAIL. 05:09:56:13 --:--:--:-- AND THEY INTERRELATE VERY 05:09:57:29 --:--:--:-- HEAVILY. 05:09:59:04 --:--:--:-- THAT IS A GREAT DEAL OF THE MOST 05:10:01:07 --:--:--:-- SUCCESSFUL WORK THAT'S DONE IN 05:10:02:16 --:--:--:-- THE ARENA THAT CLAY WORKS IN, 05:10:04:19 --:--:--:-- IS BASED-- 05:10:05:07 --:--:--:-- AIRPORTS, BUS STATIONS, 05:10:07:28 --:--:--:-- TRAIN STATIONS, ET CETERA, 05:10:09:08 --:--:--:-- HOTEL/MOTEL. 05:10:10:06 --:--:--:-- THIS IS--A LOT OF IT'S BASED ON 05:10:12:05 --:--:--:-- VOLUNTARY CONTACT, CONSENSUAL 05:10:15:05 --:--:--:-- CONTACT, AND ON CONSENT ITSELF, 05:10:18:18 --:--:--:-- INCLUDING CONSENT SEARCHES. 05:10:20:18 --:--:--:-- AND AS THESE TWO GENTLEMEN WOULD 05:10:22:11 --:--:--:-- KNOW BETTER THAN ANYONE JUST 05:10:23:12 --:--:--:-- ABOUT, IT IS YOUR INTERPERSONAL 05:10:25:12 --:--:--:-- SKILLS THAT DRAW THOSE THINGS 05:10:27:02 --:--:--:-- OUT AND ALLOW THEM TO HAPPEN AT 05:10:28:28 --:--:--:-- ALL. 05:10:29:16 --:--:--:-- WHEN AN OFFICER USES A 05:10:30:22 --:--:--:-- VOLUNTARY CONTACT FOLLOWED BY A 05:10:32:15 --:--:--:-- CONSENT SEARCH, THE OFFICER HAS 05:10:35:01 --:--:--:-- AVOIDED THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE 05:10:36:26 --:--:--:-- FOURTH AMENDMENT ALTOGETHER. 05:10:38:06 --:--:--:-- THERE'S NOTHING TO GO WRONG 05:10:39:23 --:--:--:-- THERE IN FOURTH AMENDMENT LAW 05:10:41:29 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT 05:10:42:28 --:--:--:-- HASN'T BEEN IMPLICATED. 05:10:44:10 --:--:--:-- >> AND YOU'LL FIND, I MEAN, IT'S 05:10:45:17 --:--:--:-- ALMOST A FORM OF SALESMANSHIP, 05:10:47:08 --:--:--:-- IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT THAT WAY. 05:10:48:21 --:--:--:-- I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY THAT 05:10:49:21 --:--:--:-- CAN SELL TO SOMEBODY THAT 05:10:51:07 --:--:--:-- IT'S--EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A 05:10:52:24 --:--:--:-- LARGE AMOUNT OF DRUGS OR THEY 05:10:53:27 --:--:--:-- HAVE SOME CONTRABAND, THAT 05:10:54:27 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE CONSENT TO 05:10:55:29 --:--:--:-- THAT INVESTIGATOR. 05:10:57:21 --:--:--:-- SO IT'S A HARD THING TO SELL. 05:10:59:11 --:--:--:-- MOST PEOPLE DON'T BUY JAIL 05:11:00:19 --:--:--:-- SPACE. 05:11:01:09 --:--:--:-- [all laugh] 05:11:03:05 --:--:--:-- >> STAN, IN THE AREA THAT MIKE 05:11:04:10 --:--:--:-- WOULD WORK IN, STREET AND 05:11:05:08 --:--:--:-- HIGHWAY-TYPE INTERDICTION MORE-- 05:11:07:22 --:--:--:-- OF COURSE YOU CAN'T DO A 05:11:09:01 --:--:--:-- VOLUNTARY CONTACT EFFECTIVELY 05:11:10:20 --:--:--:-- WITH A PERSON IN A MOVING MOTOR 05:11:11:27 --:--:--:-- VEHICLE. 05:11:12:13 --:--:--:-- THERE HAS TO BE A STOP. 05:11:14:25 --:--:--:-- >> AND THAT SETS THE STAGE. 05:11:15:25 --:--:--:-- >> THAT'S A LEGAL THRESHOLD 05:11:17:29 --:--:--:-- ALREADY AND REQUIRES A CERTAIN 05:11:19:09 --:--:--:-- AMOUNT OF FACTUAL 05:11:20:07 --:--:--:-- JUSTIFICATION, WHICH IS WHY IT'S 05:11:22:04 --:--:--:-- CRITICAL TO USE THAT STOP AS A 05:11:24:02 --:--:--:-- LAWFUL BASIS FOR THE BEGINNING 05:11:25:29 --:--:--:-- OF INTERDICTION WORK. 05:11:27:09 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE 05:11:28:26 --:--:--:-- KIND OF PART WAYS WITH THE 05:11:30:04 --:--:--:-- HIGHWAY INTERDICTION AND WHAT WE 05:11:31:29 --:--:--:-- DO. 05:11:33:03 --:--:--:-- IN HIGHWAY INTERDICTION, THERE 05:11:34:27 --:--:--:-- IS AN UNDERLYING CRIMINAL 05:11:36:07 --:--:--:-- OFFENSE IN SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC 05:11:37:18 --:--:--:-- VIOLATION. 05:11:38:14 --:--:--:-- WHEREIN MOST INTERDICTION WITH 05:11:39:29 --:--:--:-- HOTEL/MOTEL, AIRPORTS, BUSES, 05:11:41:24 --:--:--:-- AND TRAINS, YOU'RE GOING TO WALK 05:11:42:29 --:--:--:-- UP TO SOMEBODY, AND YOU HAVE NO 05:11:44:05 --:--:--:-- UNDERLYING CRIME THAT YOU CAN 05:11:46:06 --:--:--:-- DETAIN THEM FOR. 05:11:48:08 --:--:--:-- SO YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY DO SOME 05:11:50:18 --:--:--:-- QUESTIONING AND SOME VOLUNTARY 05:11:52:10 --:--:--:-- CONVERSATION IN ORDER, OFTEN, TO 05:11:54:07 --:--:--:-- GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE 05:11:55:05 --:--:--:-- GOING TO ASK FOR CONSENT TO 05:11:57:02 --:--:--:-- SEARCH AND/OR DECIDE YOU HAVE 05:11:58:25 --:--:--:-- ENOUGH TO DETAIN SOMEBODY. 05:12:00:13 --:--:--:-- >> LACKING POLICE POWER IN THOSE 05:12:03:01 --:--:--:-- OCCASIONS BECAUSE OF THE LACK 05:12:04:26 --:--:--:-- OF LEGAL JUSTIFICATION FOR A 05:12:06:25 --:--:--:-- STOP--THAT IS, WE'RE PLAYING OFF 05:12:08:28 --:--:--:-- OF SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T 05:12:10:20 --:--:--:-- CALL THEM HUNCHES BECAUSE 05:12:11:22 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE NOT BEING CAUSED BY 05:12:13:23 --:--:--:-- BIOCHEMISTRY. 05:12:15:10 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE BEING CAUSED BY FACTS 05:12:16:18 --:--:--:-- AND OBSERVATIONS. 05:12:18:06 --:--:--:-- BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF AUTHORITY, 05:12:21:07 --:--:--:-- ONE IS LEFT WITH YOUR 05:12:22:29 --:--:--:-- INTERPERSONAL SKILLS. 05:12:25:04 --:--:--:-- AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE CRITICAL. 05:12:26:28 --:--:--:-- >> BOTH OF YOU ARE INVOLVED IN 05:12:28:03 --:--:--:-- TRAINING, CORRECT? 05:12:29:13 --:--:--:-- >> both: MM-HMM. 05:12:30:04 --:--:--:-- >> HOW DO YOU TRAIN THIS? 05:12:30:29 --:--:--:-- HOW DO YOU GET THIS ACROSS TO 05:12:32:09 --:--:--:-- YOUR NEW RECRUITS, SO TO SPEAK? 05:12:33:28 --:--:--:-- THESE IDEAS? 05:12:35:18 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, WELL, DEFINITELY WE 05:12:37:08 --:--:--:-- DON'T TEACH THIS TO RECRUITS, 05:12:39:12 --:--:--:-- PER SE, BUT PEOPLE THAT ARE 05:12:40:22 --:--:--:-- BROUGHT INTO, LIKE, AN 05:12:41:24 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION UNIT, 05:12:42:21 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE REQUIRED, IF THEY'RE 05:12:45:00 --:--:--:-- IN A TASK FORCE SITUATION, TO BE 05:12:46:15 --:--:--:-- CERTIFIED. 05:12:47:16 --:--:--:-- SO WE HAVE A WEEK OF 05:12:48:12 --:--:--:-- TRAINING--BASIC TRAINING, 05:12:50:05 --:--:--:-- WHICH PEOPLE ARE, LIKE, KIND OF 05:12:52:22 --:--:--:-- INVOLVED. 05:12:53:07 --:--:--:-- WE HAVE LAWYERS COME IN. 05:12:54:09 --:--:--:-- WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE CASE LAW 05:12:55:17 --:--:--:-- THAT'S INVOLVED. 05:12:56:21 --:--:--:-- AS HE STATED, ALMOST ALL THE 05:12:58:14 --:--:--:-- CUTTING-EDGE DECISIONS ON FOURTH 05:13:00:27 --:--:--:-- AMENDMENT ISSUES ARE ALL OUT 05:13:02:17 --:--:--:-- OF--GENERALLY INTERDICTION 05:13:04:02 --:--:--:-- THINGS, AT THIS POINT. 05:13:05:08 --:--:--:-- SO IT'S CRUCIAL THAT THEY HAVE A 05:13:07:10 --:--:--:-- GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THEY CAN 05:13:08:11 --:--:--:-- LEGALLY DO OUT THERE AND NOT DO. 05:13:10:29 --:--:--:-- AND THEN WE DO A LOT OF HANDS-ON 05:13:12:02 --:--:--:-- TRAINING AND OBSERVATION OF 05:13:13:20 --:--:--:-- PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE THIS FOR 05:13:14:23 --:--:--:-- YEARS SO THEY CAN SEE HOW IT'S 05:13:16:10 --:--:--:-- PROPERLY DONE. 05:13:17:25 --:--:--:-- >> CLAY, YOURS IS VERY 05:13:19:00 --:--:--:-- SPECIALIZED TYPE OF 05:13:19:29 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION. 05:13:20:28 --:--:--:-- AND, MIKE, YOURS IS MORE 05:13:22:14 --:--:--:-- TRANSPORTATION-ORIENTED. 05:13:24:03 --:--:--:-- IS THAT CORRECT--OR ON THE 05:13:24:29 --:--:--:-- HIGHWAYS? 05:13:25:19 --:--:--:-- >> ON THE HIGHWAYS. 05:13:26:07 --:--:--:-- >> HOW DO YOU TRAIN YOUR 05:13:27:02 --:--:--:-- OFFICERS? 05:13:28:06 --:--:--:-- >> STAN, SEEING IS BELIEVING. 05:13:29:24 --:--:--:-- >> BECAUSE YOU SAID EVERYONE 05:13:30:19 --:--:--:-- NEEDS TO KNOW A CERTAIN LEVEL-- 05:13:32:09 --:--:--:-- A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF INTERDICTION 05:13:33:16 --:--:--:-- TRAINING. 05:13:34:12 --:--:--:-- IS THAT CORRECT? 05:13:35:13 --:--:--:-- >> YES, YES. 05:13:36:17 --:--:--:-- MY CAR HAS ALWAYS BEEN EQUIPPED 05:13:38:14 --:--:--:-- WITH AN IN-CAR CAMERA, AN 05:13:39:15 --:--:--:-- ONBOARD CAMERA SYSTEM THAT HAS 05:13:40:20 --:--:--:-- RECORDED THE TRAFFIC STOP FROM 05:13:42:14 --:--:--:-- ITS INFANCY RIGHT ON THROUGH THE 05:13:43:26 --:--:--:-- LARGE SEIZURE OF CONTRABAND. 05:13:45:20 --:--:--:-- >> DON'T MOST CARS HAVE THAT 05:13:46:27 --:--:--:-- NOW? 05:13:47:12 --:--:--:-- MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT? 05:13:48:09 --:--:--:-- >> DOWN SOUTH, THEY DO. 05:13:48:28 --:--:--:-- UP NORTH, THEY'RE FEW AND FAR 05:13:49:29 --:--:--:-- BETWEEN, QUITE HONESTLY. 05:13:51:13 --:--:--:-- I JUST TOOK OVER MY SHERIFF'S 05:13:52:16 --:--:--:-- OFFICE NINE MONTHS AGO, AND 05:13:53:23 --:--:--:-- THERE WERE NO IN-CAR CAMERAS 05:13:55:00 --:--:--:-- IN MY CRUISERS. 05:13:56:00 --:--:--:-- I'M PROUD TO SAY WE NOW HAVE 05:13:57:10 --:--:--:-- DOZENS IN OUR CARS. 05:13:59:03 --:--:--:-- SO THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, 05:14:00:14 --:--:--:-- BUT SEEING IS BELIEVING, AND 05:14:01:17 --:--:--:-- WHEN I STAND UP IN FRONT OF A 05:14:02:16 --:--:--:-- CLASS AS AN EFFECTIVE 05:14:03:15 --:--:--:-- INSTRUCTOR, I NEED TO SHOW THEM 05:14:05:20 --:--:--:-- HOW I STOP THE CAR, MY APPROACH 05:14:08:00 --:--:--:-- TO THE VEHICLE, MY DIALOGUE WITH 05:14:10:04 --:--:--:-- THE VIOLATORS, AND I ACTUALLY 05:14:12:00 --:--:--:-- ORATE, OR NARRATE, ON CAMERA, 05:14:13:22 --:--:--:-- THE INDICATORS AS I SEE THEM. 05:14:16:09 --:--:--:-- AND THEY SEE ME ACTUALLY GET THE 05:14:18:03 --:--:--:-- VIOLATOR OUT OF THE VEHICLE, 05:14:19:10 --:--:--:-- INTERVIEW THE VIOLATOR ON THE 05:14:20:11 --:--:--:-- ROADSIDE, AND THEY SEE FIRSTHAND 05:14:22:24 --:--:--:-- HOW SOMEONE WILL ACTUALLY 05:14:23:22 --:--:--:-- GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO SEARCH 05:14:25:12 --:--:--:-- THEIR VEHICLE IN WRITING WHEN 05:14:27:13 --:--:--:-- THERE ARE TWO DEAD BODIES IN THE 05:14:28:22 --:--:--:-- TRUNK OF THE CAR. 05:14:30:14 --:--:--:-- >> UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF THE 05:14:31:14 --:--:--:-- SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAVE IN 05:14:32:25 --:--:--:-- THIS PROGRAM, WE CAN'T GET INTO 05:14:33:23 --:--:--:-- EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT WOULD BE 05:14:34:22 --:--:--:-- CLOSE TO, WHAT, 30-SOME HOURS 05:14:36:12 --:--:--:-- FOR EACH OF YOU TO REALLY 05:14:37:22 --:--:--:-- DISCUSS AND GET INTO WHAT 05:14:39:13 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION REALLY IS. 05:14:41:02 --:--:--:-- GO AHEAD, RANDY. 05:14:42:19 --:--:--:-- >> THAT SAME VIDEOTAPE THAT MIKE 05:14:45:16 --:--:--:-- JUST DESCRIBED IS THE WORLD'S 05:14:47:24 --:--:--:-- BEST THING FOR US IN COURT. 05:14:49:09 --:--:--:-- >> I'M SURE. 05:14:49:26 --:--:--:-- >> THE DOCUMENTATION IS 05:14:51:04 --:--:--:-- BRILLIANT, AND OF COURSE, THAT'S 05:14:52:07 --:--:--:-- THE BEST DOCUMENTATION OF A 05:14:53:21 --:--:--:-- CONSENT IS THE RECORDING OF THE 05:14:55:29 --:--:--:-- CONSENT ITSELF. 05:14:56:28 --:--:--:-- THAT'S EVEN BETTER LEGAL 05:14:57:24 --:--:--:-- DOCUMENTATION THAN A SIGNED-- 05:14:59:13 --:--:--:-- A WRITTEN CONSENT. 05:15:01:00 --:--:--:-- >> DOES THAT NOT GIVE EVEN MORE 05:15:02:12 --:--:--:-- EMPHASIS AND IMPORTANCE TO OTHER 05:15:04:12 --:--:--:-- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AROUND 05:15:05:23 --:--:--:-- THE COUNTRY, THAT THEY SHOULD 05:15:07:06 --:--:--:-- HAVE IN-CAR CAMERAS? 05:15:08:16 --:--:--:-- >> IT'S ONE OF MY STRONGEST 05:15:09:23 --:--:--:-- RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A LEGAL AND 05:15:11:15 --:--:--:-- RISK MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. 05:15:12:24 --:--:--:-- >> ABSOLUTELY. 05:15:13:24 --:--:--:-- HOW DO PRIVATE BUSINESSES GET 05:15:16:00 --:--:--:-- INVOLVED AND OTHER ENTITIES IN 05:15:18:09 --:--:--:-- THIS? 05:15:18:25 --:--:--:-- HOW DO THEY PARTICIPATE IN 05:15:20:08 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION? 05:15:21:13 --:--:--:-- PROBABLY MORE TO YOU, CLAY. 05:15:23:20 --:--:--:-- IS IT SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO DO? 05:15:25:00 --:--:--:-- >> NO, THEY REALLY DON'T. 05:15:26:06 --:--:--:-- >> THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. 05:15:26:28 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, THERE IS NO 05:15:27:18 --:--:--:-- REQUIREMENT. 05:15:28:06 --:--:--:-- AND IN REALITY, THESE ARE 05:15:29:17 --:--:--:-- BUSINESSES, AND COOPERATING WITH 05:15:31:24 --:--:--:-- THE POLICE, HAVING THE POLICE 05:15:33:05 --:--:--:-- COME TO YOUR FACILITY, YOU KNOW, 05:15:34:27 --:--:--:-- MAY NOT REALLY ADD ANYTHING TO 05:15:37:06 --:--:--:-- THE BOTTOM LINE. 05:15:38:10 --:--:--:-- SO THEY'RE INTIMATELY INVOLVED 05:15:41:09 --:--:--:-- IN THE TRANSPORTATION. 05:15:42:04 --:--:--:-- OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE THE COMPANIES 05:15:43:03 --:--:--:-- THAT CONTROL IT. 05:15:43:23 --:--:--:-- >> SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF 05:15:44:18 --:--:--:-- FISHING INVOLVED? 05:15:45:19 --:--:--:-- >> THERE IS, YEAH. 05:15:46:19 --:--:--:-- THERE IS, AND YOU'LL FIND THAT 05:15:49:17 --:--:--:-- MOST OF THEM WANT TO COOPERATE 05:15:50:29 --:--:--:-- IF THEY CAN DO IT IN A MANNER 05:15:52:06 --:--:--:-- THAT DOESN'T DISRUPT THEIR 05:15:53:05 --:--:--:-- BUSINESS. 05:15:53:21 --:--:--:-- AND THAT'S KIND OF OUR JOB, IS 05:15:55:14 --:--:--:-- TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T 05:15:56:17 --:--:--:-- IMPACT THAT BOTTOM LINE AND THE 05:15:58:03 --:--:--:-- BUSINESS ACTIVITY THAT'S 05:15:59:07 --:--:--:-- GOING ON. 05:16:00:02 --:--:--:-- AND WE DO IT IN A FRIENDLY WAY, 05:16:01:18 --:--:--:-- AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE 05:16:04:01 --:--:--:-- NOT DRUG INTO COURT ALSO AND 05:16:05:16 --:--:--:-- HAVE SOME CIVIL LIABILITY 05:16:06:18 --:--:--:-- PROBLEMS INVOLVED WITH THIS. 05:16:08:18 --:--:--:-- THAT'S WHY THE TRAINING IS SO 05:16:09:15 --:--:--:-- IMPORTANT. 05:16:10:03 --:--:--:-- YOU GET INTO AREAS LIKE THIS 05:16:11:07 --:--:--:-- WHERE, LITERALLY, PEOPLE CAN 05:16:12:12 --:--:--:-- LOSE THEIR JOBS IF YOU DON'T 05:16:13:21 --:--:--:-- KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN YOU 05:16:14:20 --:--:--:-- APPROACH THE AIRLINE PERSONNEL 05:16:16:23 --:--:--:-- AND DIFFERENT PACKAGE CARRIERS. 05:16:18:28 --:--:--:-- >> HAVE YOU FOUND THAT--FOR 05:16:20:02 --:--:--:-- INSTANCE, YOU MENTIONED PACKAGE 05:16:21:08 --:--:--:-- CARRIERS--FOR EXAMPLE, 05:16:22:11 --:--:--:-- OUT ON THE WEST COAST, 05:16:23:16 --:--:--:-- THAT CRIMINALS ARE USING 05:16:26:08 --:--:--:-- THOSE PACKAGE CARRIERS IN THE 05:16:28:05 --:--:--:-- MIDWEST AND ALL UP THE EAST 05:16:29:18 --:--:--:-- COAST? 05:16:30:05 --:--:--:-- IT'S ALL AROUND? 05:16:32:12 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN 05:16:33:21 --:--:--:-- INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS. 05:16:34:29 --:--:--:-- I MEAN, THERE IS NO CORNER OF 05:16:35:23 --:--:--:-- THIS COUNTRY THAT THEY'RE NOT 05:16:36:20 --:--:--:-- UTILIZING. 05:16:37:29 --:--:--:-- WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT, 05:16:40:00 --:--:--:-- THAT IF YOU'RE IN THE SMALLEST 05:16:42:03 --:--:--:-- CITY IN THIS COUNTRY, THERE'S 05:16:43:19 --:--:--:-- STILL SOMETHING YOU CAN DO IN 05:16:44:20 --:--:--:-- THE INTERDICTION THING. 05:16:45:23 --:--:--:-- THERE'S FREIGHT INTERDICTION. 05:16:47:00 --:--:--:-- THERE'S BUS LINES THAT STOP IN 05:16:49:06 --:--:--:-- YOUR CITY, AND THE REALITY IS, A 05:16:50:25 --:--:--:-- LOT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS WILL 05:16:52:06 --:--:--:-- TARGET THE SMALLER CITIES 05:16:53:17 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACTIVE 05:16:54:15 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION UNITS. 05:16:55:19 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF WHO'S 05:16:57:09 --:--:--:-- ENGAGED IN IT. 05:16:59:06 --:--:--:-- AT ONE POINT, WE WERE WORKING 05:17:00:13 --:--:--:-- THE L.A. BUS STATION, AND WE 05:17:01:09 --:--:--:-- WERE THE ONLY ONES IN THE 05:17:02:00 --:--:--:-- COUNTRY WORKING THE GREYHOUND 05:17:03:01 --:--:--:-- BUSES, SO IT DIDN'T REALLY TAKE 05:17:05:01 --:--:--:-- A BRAIN SURGEON TO REALIZE YOU 05:17:06:11 --:--:--:-- COULD GO FIVE MILES AWAY AND NOT 05:17:07:17 --:--:--:-- BE BOTHERED BY THE POLICE. 05:17:09:20 --:--:--:-- >> RIGHT. 05:17:10:07 --:--:--:-- SO HOW DO YOU GET THEM TO TRUST 05:17:11:21 --:--:--:-- YOU? 05:17:12:07 --:--:--:-- HOW DO YOU GET A BUSINESS-- 05:17:13:07 --:--:--:-- YOU WALK INTO A BUSINESS, WHAT, 05:17:16:02 --:--:--:-- AND ASK THEM QUESTIONS? 05:17:18:18 --:--:--:-- "HEY, I'D LIKE TO DO THIS." 05:17:19:21 --:--:--:-- HOW DO YOU GET INVOLVED? 05:17:20:13 --:--:--:-- WHAT DO YOU DO? 05:17:20:28 --:--:--:-- >> "HI, DO YOU WANT TO BE AN 05:17:21:20 --:--:--:-- INFORMANT?" 05:17:22:25 --:--:--:-- NO, YOU DON'T DO THAT. 05:17:23:16 --:--:--:-- I THINK YOU BUILD UP TRUST JUST 05:17:25:12 --:--:--:-- LIKE YOU DO IN YOUR LIFE WITH 05:17:26:15 --:--:--:-- PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW AND YOU 05:17:27:27 --:--:--:-- DEAL WITH. 05:17:28:20 --:--:--:-- IT'S A VERY SLOW PROCESS. 05:17:30:15 --:--:--:-- I MEAN, I WOULD PROBABLY TALK TO 05:17:32:10 --:--:--:-- AN AIRLINE EMPLOYEE 10, 12 TIMES 05:17:34:06 --:--:--:-- BEFORE I'D EVEN START TO MENTION 05:17:35:23 --:--:--:-- WHAT WE DID OUT THERE. 05:17:36:27 --:--:--:-- >> SO THEY START RECOGNIZING A 05:17:38:02 --:--:--:-- FACE WITH A NAME AND PUTTING 05:17:40:01 --:--:--:-- TOGETHER THE REASONS YOU'RE 05:17:41:03 --:--:--:-- THERE AND THAT SORT OF THING. 05:17:42:03 --:--:--:-- >> RIGHT, AND LIKE EVERY 05:17:42:25 --:--:--:-- WORKPLACE, IT'S A CLIQUE. 05:17:44:05 --:--:--:-- AND EITHER YOU'RE PART OF THAT 05:17:45:02 --:--:--:-- CLIQUE, OR YOU'RE NOT. 05:17:45:28 --:--:--:-- SO THE MAIN JOB OF SOMEBODY IN 05:17:47:16 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION IS TO KIND OF BLEND 05:17:49:06 --:--:--:-- IN AND BECOME ONE OF THE OTHER 05:17:50:23 --:--:--:-- EMPLOYEES, 05:17:51:16 --:--:--:-- ONE OF THE FAMILIAR FACES. 05:17:52:22 --:--:--:-- >> BUT THIS IS A JOB 05:17:53:18 --:--:--:-- SPECIFICALLY WITHIN AN 05:17:54:27 --:--:--:-- INTERDICTION UNIT. 05:17:55:24 --:--:--:-- THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT A 05:17:57:02 --:--:--:-- STREET COP, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD 05:17:58:18 --:--:--:-- GET INTO. 05:17:59:14 --:--:--:-- >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 05:18:00:18 --:--:--:-- IT'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED THAN 05:18:02:10 --:--:--:-- THAT. 05:18:02:25 --:--:--:-- IT REQUIRES A LOT MORE TRAINING. 05:18:05:15 --:--:--:-- >> WHAT DOES A BUSINESS STAND TO 05:18:06:18 --:--:--:-- GAIN BY BEING INVOLVED? 05:18:09:15 --:--:--:-- >> JUST BEING A GOOD CITIZEN. 05:18:10:28 --:--:--:-- AND ALSO SOME CORPORATE--NOBODY 05:18:13:12 --:--:--:-- FROM FED EX WANTS TO SEE A NEWS 05:18:17:00 --:--:--:-- STORY THAT STARTS OUT WITH A 05:18:17:28 --:--:--:-- FED EX TRUCK-- 05:18:18:28 --:--:--:-- >> BUT YOU'RE NOT 05:18:19:17 --:--:--:-- BENDING AN ARM TRYING TO GET 05:18:21:25 --:--:--:-- THEM TO PARTICIPATE? 05:18:22:26 --:--:--:-- >> NO. 05:18:23:11 --:--:--:-- NO, NOT AT ALL. 05:18:24:04 --:--:--:-- I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE WITHIN 05:18:26:15 --:--:--:-- THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WON'T 05:18:27:20 --:--:--:-- PARTICIPATE. 05:18:28:23 --:--:--:-- BUT GENERALLY, YOU FIND MOST 05:18:29:25 --:--:--:-- PEOPLE ARE GOOD CITIZENS, AND 05:18:31:03 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE GOING TO HELP YOU, IF 05:18:32:16 --:--:--:-- THEY CAN WITHOUT DISRUPTING 05:18:33:29 --:--:--:-- THEIR JOB. 05:18:35:17 --:--:--:-- >> RANDY, IS THERE A LIABILITY 05:18:36:27 --:--:--:-- ISSUE HERE AT ALL? 05:18:37:29 --:--:--:-- BY TRYING TO GET AND WORK WITH 05:18:39:10 --:--:--:-- BUSINESSES, IS THERE ANY KIND OF 05:18:41:22 --:--:--:-- PROBLEM HERE THAT YOU'VE SEEN OR 05:18:44:02 --:--:--:-- IS ON THE HORIZON? 05:18:45:20 --:--:--:-- >> THE MAIN PROBLEM, IF THERE 05:18:48:08 --:--:--:-- WERE ONE, WOULD BE THE USE--IF 05:18:50:29 --:--:--:-- YOU MADE USE OF THE PRIVATE 05:18:53:09 --:--:--:-- INDIVIDUAL OR THE PRIVATE 05:18:54:13 --:--:--:-- CORPORATION AS YOUR AGENT IN 05:18:57:28 --:--:--:-- ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING THAT, 05:18:59:16 --:--:--:-- AS A GOVERNMENTAL OFFICIAL, 05:19:00:16 --:--:--:-- YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO 05:19:01:20 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL 05:19:03:06 --:--:--:-- LAW THAT WOULD BE IN PLAY. 05:19:05:23 --:--:--:-- SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF I, A LAW 05:19:07:15 --:--:--:-- ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, COULDN'T DO 05:19:09:01 --:--:--:-- SOMETHING--LIKE I CAN'T SEARCH 05:19:10:28 --:--:--:-- THAT PACKAGE BECAUSE I DON'T 05:19:12:26 --:--:--:-- HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE TO SEARCH 05:19:14:15 --:--:--:-- IT, I DON'T HAVE THE REQUIRED 05:19:15:13 --:--:--:-- WARRANT, ET CETERA-- 05:19:16:07 --:--:--:-- AND A PRIVATE PERSON IN 05:19:17:27 --:--:--:-- MY PRESENCE, PERHAPS A 05:19:19:00 --:--:--:-- CORPORATE EMPLOYEE, I SAY, 05:19:20:27 --:--:--:-- "WOULD YOU OPEN THAT FOR ME?" 05:19:23:23 --:--:--:-- AND THEN HE BECOMES MY AGENT, 05:19:25:15 --:--:--:-- AND IT'S AS IF I HAD DONE IT 05:19:27:02 --:--:--:-- MYSELF. 05:19:28:15 --:--:--:-- BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO BREAK 05:19:30:10 --:--:--:-- THOSE PROBLEMS DOWN AND AVOID 05:19:31:20 --:--:--:-- THOSE PROBLEMS TOO AND STILL 05:19:32:28 --:--:--:-- GET THIS THING DONE. 05:19:34:07 --:--:--:-- SO AT THAT POINT, THOUGH, IT 05:19:35:25 --:--:--:-- BECOMES A GOOD BIT MORE COMPLEX, 05:19:37:05 --:--:--:-- AND IT BECOMES THE SUBJEC